host: laura tweeted in, raise everyone's rates a little rather than some a lot. next call, carl from kansas, line for independents. caller: i think we need to quit worrying about the taxes and go well for reform. i know it later in kansas who has three kids -- a lady here in kansas who has three kids. all her food, doctor bills, prescriptions -- she doesn't pay any taxes. how does she get money back? guest: if you are not working, you're not going to be paying payroll taxes, be paying income taxes if you're not getting money. and then you might get some welfare, and that is the way our system works, i guess people might think that would be cruel to completely get rid of for welfare because what would happen to that woman. on the other hand, a lot of people, more conservative people think that something like welfare discourages work. european countries spend more on anti-poverty programs than we do. we still do have some at the poverty programs. -- anti-poverty programs. host: a tweet, what happened to the financial transaction tax? guest: it is popular among libe